all in with chris hayes, transcript 3/28/2016
Chris Hayes, MSNBC host (voice-over)
: Tonight on all the radio talk show host Charlie Sykes: I expect 12-year-
The old bully on the playground, not the one who wants the Office of Abraham Lincoln. DONALD TRUMP (R)
Presidential candidate: I made a forward.
It was forwarded by others.
Hayes: Donald Trump welcomes Rocky to Wisconsin.
Sykes: Do you support what you call Scott Walker?
Trump: I can only say what I took from Time magazine.
If Time magazine is wrong, they should apologize.
Hayes: How the Badger State has become the front line to stop the Trump campaign.
Also, why is the Trump campaign now planning to file a legal complaint with RNC.
Bernie Sanders then just won three states with a land slide. SEN.
Bernie Sanders (I-VT)
Democratic presidential candidate: We have a path to victory. (
Cheers and applause)
Hayes: I have been told by Sanders supporter Susan Goodden that the Clinton team should be worried about something.
Actress Susan Goodden: I think a lot of people are sorry.
I just can\'t let myself do this.
Hayes: We\'ll tell you who actually supported the petition to hold a gun at the Republican convention when everything started. (END VIDEOTAPE)
Hayes: good evening in New York.
I\'m Chris Hayes.
The Republican presidential election is currently playing two games.
People who actually go to vote for a referendum, vote for the candidate they choose.
The match made headlines in the gorgeous election night coverage.
There, the campaign team posted most of their energy and resources, and we analyzed every detail in the news media.
But after both the candidate and the camera left the state, another game was played behind the scenes.
This is the process of picking actual delegates, real people and delegates from each state to attend this summer\'s Republican convention in Cleveland. In the anti-
Trump forces want to stop Trump, a game they can\'t lose.
Now, the first public game is about the magic number of getting 1,237 delegates.
Trump remains the only notable candidate.
Starting tomorrow, the next primary will be held in Wisconsin, and the winner takes all of this, which means that the smallest profit can decide whether he gets all 42 reps or nothing.
He will be there tomorrow for his first campaign, but Trump has caused a stir among the powerful conservatives in Wisconsin, and recently, the political struggle of the Scott Walker era has given him power.
In a tough phone interview with famous talk radio host Charlie Sykes, he is Trump\'s outspoken critic, the Republican front
Runners declined to apologize for the recent comment on Ted Cruz\'s wife, which did go well. (
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Sykes: I have not been able to introduce you to Wisconsin as well as to civilization and decent traditions, because you apologize for Heidi Cruz or what you said to Scott Walker-Trump: Well, someone sent me a picture of my wife, did I get an apology?
Again, I didn\'t start. He started it.
If he does not start, it will never happen.
Things like this will not happen.
But he started.
But remember, we are not --(CROSSTALK)
We are not on the playground.
We are running for president of the United States. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: As I said just now, in the battle in Wisconsin, it\'s more of a winner than a winner.
We will discuss this in the program later.
But even after voters vote next week, it won\'t be the end of the story, because that\'s the second game and the game behind the scenes is just beginning.
Look at what\'s going on in the state of Luis Anna, where an ugly fight is going on about representation.
Although the state Republican Party held the primary three weeks ago, it was a solid victory for Trump, who was three points ahead of Ted Cruz.
Then, last week, the Wall Street Journal reported that Cruz could eventually win the number of delegates, with the possibility of getting five delegates granted to Marco Rubio and five unbound delegates from the state.
Trump has threatened to sue on Twitter, something he likes to do.
But in an interview with MSNBC today, senior advisor Barry Bennett said Trump\'s campaign plan will continue. (
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Barry Bennett, Trump\'s campaign senior advisor: Well, the problem we\'re having here is that there\'s a secret meeting of a conference delegation in the state of Luis Anna, obviously, all the invitations we represent were lost in the mail.
I have been with our legal team most of this morning and we are moving forward with complaints about the removal of these delegates. (END VIDEO CLIP)HAYES: OK.
If the campaign starts suing Republicans for canceling or blocking nominations for other candidates, it\'s hard to exaggerate what impact and bloody battles this could have.
This is just part of a behind-the-scenes conspiracy in the state of Luis Anna and across the country.
A week after the primary election, the Republican convention of the state, the representative of Louis Anna, elected three Republican national committees that will determine the way Cleveland works, including all the important rules committees, have control over the nomination process.
In theory, for example, it can decide that there is no one with an acronym D. T.
It could be a Republican candidate if it wanted.
According to The Wall Street Journal, Cruz supporters have occupied five of the six seats in the state of Luis Anna on these three key committees.
If Trump\'s opponent continues to sue, all bets are gone when we arrive in Cleveland in July.
A prominent Trump supporter has predicted the dire consequences. (
Start Video Editing)DR. BEN CARSON (R)
Presidential candidate: If there is a prank, if not straight, millions of people brought by Donald Trump will not stay there.
Republicans will lose, not just the president, but the Senate.
Maybe even a house.
This will be absolute destruction. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: now with me is Barry Bennett, senior advisor to the Trump campaign, former campaign manager for Ben Carson. Mr.
Bennett, what\'s going on with the lawsuit?
Bennett: Well, after the meeting on Sunday or this weekend, 27 of the 46 delegates came together and voted on 22 of the 27 delegates, and they decided, in addition to one quota, a Cruz representative should attend the Rules Committee and all standing committees.
Our representative, 18 of them, definitely lost the invitation in the mail of the meeting.
Hayes: I heard you say that before.
But specifically, what are the legal issues with this?
I mean, it\'s a party.
Didn\'t you get caught?
Bennett: No, I mean, the state party\'s rules require the collection of all delegates, not just the delegates you think will vote in the way you want to vote.
This is the first violation.
So, you know, we\'re going to challenge these delegates for certification.
They should have meetings with all delegates, 22 or even not a majority of 46, and should not decide who will get the strongest seats in the General Assembly.
Hayes: are you guys organizing so little on the ground because the Trump campaign team is organizing so little on the ground, and frankly, that\'s so far from the republican institutions?
Bennett: Well, I think, you know, there was a problem with Luis Anna four years ago.
So, I don\'t think that\'s our ground game problem.
We now have a very good team and we are moving quickly across the country.
When we find something like this, we struggle with it.
But, you know, it\'s not going well here.
Hayes: Who is the authority here?
Who is the final arbitrator?
Mrs. Bennet: The Republican National Committee. HAYES: The RNC.
I mean, in a strict, important sense, the party does decide its own nominee.
I mean, if the party wants to fuck you, they might. BENNETT: Yes.
I mean, at the end of the day, you can appeal to the delegates present at the General Assembly, but yes.
Hayes: So, what is the future strategy?
I mean, you can bring a lot of lawsuits, but it looks like we\'re moving towards a 68-year-famous situation with two delegates in Mississippi.
The Democratic Party of Mississippi and the Democratic Party of Mississippi.
There was a fierce quarrel over who was going to sit there.
Is that the case-you know, two groups of delegates appeared at the rules meeting, two groups of delegates trying to appear after a closed-door meeting?
Bennett: It\'s not unusual for you to have problems at the convention.
I think it was resolved before the General Assembly.
But we hope that this happens very rarely and will not happen repeatedly in other states.
But like I said, it shouldn\'t be up to 22 people to decide 46 people.
Hayes: Donald Trump has basically said that if his income is less than 1,237, this magical number represents most of the delegates available, and if he doesn\'t get the nomination, this will lead to riots, unrest or huge discontent, but there is a reason for this number, right?
I mean, it\'s not pulled out of thin air.
This is just the majority represented.
BENNETT: Yes, most plus one.
We\'re going to 1,237.
This is not a problem.
Our forecast is 1,450 to 1,460.
You know, after the last primary, they have 40 days to represent at will or freely.
Then you can attend the conference three days before the vote.
So, if you want, there is enough time to grieve those who are willing to be pursued.
But I don\'t-we won\'t have two votes in the General Assembly.
This will be the first round of voting and will be decided.
May I ask why you are doing this?
Bennett: What do you do?
Hayes: working for Donald Trump.
Bennett: because I think Washington needs a big transformation.
I think there is something in common between Bernie Sanders supporters and Donald Trump supporters.
They all believe that both Republicans and Democrats, Washington\'s institutions have done a lot of harm to our country.
We have two different solutions, but we have one problem in common.
Hayes: We\'ll see how the solution works.
Barry Bennett, thank you very much. Appreciate it.
Hayes: I\'m now with Mitch Edwards, a former Republican congressman from Homer who has some experience at the conference.
What do you think of Mr. Obama\'s guarantee?
Bennett said they would get what they needed? FORMER REP.
Mitch Edwards (R)
You know, I think the chances of this happening are very small.
I think Trump knows.
You know, that\'s why they threatened to cause riots or riots at the convention because they were afraid that the rules would stand up.
What the Trump campaign wants to do is say, maybe it\'s a hundred-yard sprint.
Maybe I won\'t go that far, but you should give it to me if I go very close.
He wants to change the rules, not-you know, there\'s a reason, there\'s this number, as you said.
You have to reach that number.
If you have not contacted it and no one has contacted it, there is no nominee.
Then the conference decided who they wanted to represent the Republican Party. HAYES: Mr.
I can\'t decide this, Edwards.
I like your opinion on this very much.
Will an institutional Republican like it continue to exist and basically allow himself to be bullied into the Trump nomination, even if the guy gets 40%, 50%, 45%, or, they will really do everything they can-represent there on every edge and make sure they take the rep from there?
Edwards: they will do everything they can because it\'s not a game and we\'re not talking about who will get the club\'s nomination to run for president.
We are talking about who might be president of the United States.
The prospect of having a person who knows very little is so careless that he is so annoying and demeaning that it can do a lot of damage to our relationships around the world.
You can\'t make such a person president of the United States because, as your former guest just said, you know, we need to change.
Maybe we need to change, maybe we don\'t need to change, but Donald Trump is not the change we need, and the Republicans know that.
You know what? -Hayes: But let me interrupt you first.
When you say to me that it seems to be a key point, when you say that Republicans know about it.
What exactly do you mean?
What does that mean when you say Republicans are an entity?
Edwards: Chris, so far, there have been 32 conferences, caucus meetings, and primary elections.
More than 21 million votes have been cast, most of them against Donald Trump, or 60%.
It\'s Donald Trump, not Donald Trump, for months.
The votes of Donald Trump have been split because there are so many candidates running.
But, you know, every poll shows that Donald Trump is very unpopular among the Republicans, and he says that if I don\'t have this magic number, I won\'t end this game, i\'m a loser and that\'s basically what he\'s facing, you know the rules have to change because-you know, voters, Republican voters have so far opposed him with nearly 6 million votes, the gap between the two votes against him and those who voted for him.
So he should not represent the Republican Party.
Hayes: We haven\'t had an open meeting for a long time.
76 is the closest.
Does anyone know how to do this?
Are you confident that a convention, a modern political convention, can exist without a confirmed nominee?
We did it there.
I have attended many meetings.
We know what to do.
We know how to hold the conference.
If you already know who your nominee is before you get there to do a TV show, it\'s more peaceful.
But the truth is, it\'s a serious thing.
Delegates know that the final say is in their hands.
They can change the rules.
They can keep the existing rules.
You know, after the first vote, they can vote for anyone they want.
You know, a lot of people are regulars in the party because Donald Trump won the primary and they were assigned to vote for him.
This does not mean that they are prepared for him.
Hayes: Yes, it is one of the things we will find when we go further in the process.
Mickey Edwards, thank you very much.
Thank you, Chris.
Hayes: Still, given everything we tell you about the July Republican convention, do you think it would be a good idea to allow guns to enter the Cleveland arena?
Why nearly 50,000 people signed the petition to fight for it.
Also, it was an important weekend for Bernie Sanders.
Susan Sidden is here to tell us why she is more optimistic than ever.
But, first of all, we will listen more carefully to one of the worst interviews Donald Trump has received in this campaign.
Two minutes left.
Set up your iphone and don\'t go anywhere. (
Start Video Editing)SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX)
Presidential candidate: Now, I have a very simple suggestion: Donald, why don\'t you show up and debate like a man? (CHEERS)
Now, look, I know Donald prefers to communicate with 140 characters or less.
Donald doesn\'t like debate for a reason because it\'s one thing to yell at American issues.
But in this debate, it is clear that Donald has no solution to the problems we face in this country. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: Senator Ted Cruz challenges Donald Trump tonighton-
A debate in Wisconsin tomorrow night.
This is a state with 42 delegates in the primary election next week.
Cruz has been trying to win them and run the campaign across the state, as the Chicago Tribune says, this is the winning roadmap drawn by the governor of Wisconsin and the former 2016 presidential candidates, Scott Walker, in 2010, in the middle of the rural and working class in Wisconsin, it was also the reason why Trump had succeeded so far.
Scott Walker won three times.
Donald Trump tried to get in touch with Wisconsin voters today by calling together three independent conservative radio shows, but didn\'t realize, as Dave Weigel of The Washington Post said, the worst secret of the Wisconsin primary is that its most influential conservative radio host is hostile to Donald Trump.
Here are some awkward interviews between Trump and radio host Charlie Sykes
Trump has never been described. (
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Sykes: You \'ve said something about conservatives since you came to Wisconsin in last August, the conservative revolution in Wisconsin, Scott Walker, and I want to give you a chance to respond.
You said Wisconsin did a terrible job.
Now in chaos.
They expect a surplus of $1 billion.
It turned out to be a $2 deficit. 2 billion.
The school is a disaster.
Hospitals and education are a disaster. Mr.
Trump, since you are going to talk to foreigners, will you be on the side?
I can\'t tell you that I know it from Time magazine.
It was taken from there word by word.
It was actually taken out of Time magazine.
Okay, but you said, sir. Trump.
You\'re running for president.
Is your opinion of Scott Walker supportive?
Trump: I can only say what I took from Time magazine.
I read a story from Time magazine, which is exactly what it says.
It says $2.
2 billion deficit-SYKES: it turned out to be wrong.
TRUMP: They should apologize If Time magazine is wrong.
Well, I will definitely apologize for reading Time magazine. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: this is part of Trump\'s first radio interview that day.
Two more interviews.
The last of the conservative radio host Vicki McKenna, who seems to have hung up her phone there. (
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Radio talk show host vicki mckenna: \"National Inquirer\" is not respected.
The article about the so-called thing is also-
As a source for phone games.
Trump: I didn\'t put it in.
Someone put it in. It wasn`t me.
McKenna: how about this?
How about banning wives and children?
TRUMP: Well, that\'s fine.
All you have to do is tell Cruz because he started.
McKenna: I would say the same if I could get Senator Cruz involved in this project.
Good luck, Vicky. Best of luck.
McKenna: Thank you very much for your time. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: Donald Trump will arrive in Wisconsin in person for the first time tomorrow, just in time for Governor Scott Walker to endorse on Charlie Sykes\'s own radio show.
Now with me, John Nichols, national correspondent in Washington, deputy editor-in-chief of the Wisconsin newspaper Capitol Times.
And, John, I\'m fascinated by the way the entire Walker machine like it mobilizes against Trump.
Is this amazing for you or will you expect it?
National John Nichols: Well, it certainly wasn\'t what we expected at the start of the game.
Everyone thinks Scott Walker will get his team to mobilize behind his back.
But when Walker\'s campaign collapsed, all members of his league were pushed in different directions.
A lot of them, a lot of the legislature went to Marco Rubio.
There are talk shows all over the place, but when all the other candidates start to quit, you see Charlie Sykes and some others start to get stronger and stronger in Cruz\'s position.
There is no doubt that talk radio is now aligned with Walker, or at least with the Walker/legislative Republican agency behind Cruz, or at least encourages Cruz if they recognize the formal
Then you have the old school, Tommy Thompson, and some of the mild Republicans are very strongly aligned with Kasich.
Now, Trump, he doesn\'t-he has few people except a large group of blue-collar voters.
Hayes: Yes, I was wondering if the Pacers would look like they would say that he doesn\'t support anyone or anyone, I think it should be Cruz, because he has said in the record that Cruz is the only way to beat Trump.
How much-how much does this matter?
Nichols: I\'m not sure.
This is a very complicated game.
Remember, because of Scott Walker\'s position as governor, Wisconsin has been on an incredible roller coaster for the last five or six years.
On the outside, Republicans may be a united group.
In fact, there are a lot of Republicans who are less enthusiastic about Scott Walker.
They support him when he\'s fighting the Democrats, they support him when he\'s fighting the Union, but now you\'re fighting internally, you have a complex Department, some old-school Republicans, like Tommy Thompson of former Congressman Scott Kruger, I really want to have a Republican candidate who has the potential to win the state in November. HAYES: Right.
Nichols: So, they showed up with Kasic.
Then you get the walker to align with the talk radio just to try and stop Trump without really knowing where they\'re going next.
Hayes: Do you think Trump\'s lack of any actual institutional support in the state will eventually lead to his death, because it really seems to me to be a landmark battle that has never been Trump.
I mean, you really got everyone against this guy.
He basically has nothing but the extent to which he is truly attractive to the base. NICHOLS: Yes.
This is a big deal.
I think one thing that has not been fully discussed is that Donald Trump has been under investigation in Wisconsin since this game.
He has been weaker in Wisconsin than in other states.
The November pair showed that he was wiped out by Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.
So, I think Trump has always had a problem like Minnesota.
One thing I want to highlight is that if we-just before I come to this show, I\'m at a Kasich event.
It was packed into the raf.
There is no place to accommodate other people.
You know, I saw a lot of real Republicans, active Republicans at the heart of it there.
I\'m not going to say anything, but I think there\'s a real chance Trump can do a bad job in Wisconsin.
Hayes: that\'s great.
Nichols: lost some Congressional constituency.
Thank you very much, John Nichols, for joining us.
Thank you very much.
Nicholas: Thank you.
Hayes: Next, I sat down with Susan Sidden to discuss her support for Bernie Sanders and whether Sanders supporters could finally vote for Clinton. (
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I think a lot of people are sorry.
I just can\'t let myself do this.
Hayes: how about you?
I don\'t know.
Let me see what happens. HAYES: Really?
Really. (END VIDEO CLIP)(
Hayes: Dear audience, have a question for you.
Chris Hayes, should I be responsible for Donald Trump?
You may be thinking, but this is a question I ask myself.
When I was on the road talking to people in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Houston, I was asked this question, which is a question especially from the audience of this network, this show.
Some people do feel that I should take part of the responsibility, or certainly part of the problem.
Today, a prominent member of the media tribe blamed our media tribe.
I have some ideas on this. (
Hayes: this weekend, Senator Bernie Sanders won the Democratic nomination for president.
Sanders won a big victory at party meetings in Alaska, Hawaii and Washington state, with at least 35 delegates attending the meeting.
Part of Sanders\'s work is to convince voters that the fight is far from over. (
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Sanders: when staff and young people give up the political process, re-join and ask for government on behalf of all of us, that\'s the way we win, not 1%.
That\'s how it works. (
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Hayes: Sanders is still behind about 250 promised delegates to Clinton, but his campaign has seen a path to victory.
The calendar is followed by a representative from Wisconsin, New York.
Today, Sanders\'s assistant, Tad Devine, told reporters that I think anyone now knows how to count delegates, whether they are candidates, Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders) will win most delegates at the Democratic convention with just-sworn delegates.
This cannot be proved by mathematics.
As we mentioned, Clinton led Sanders in the promised delegates, and has collected 56% delegates so far, in fact, she can reach a magical number of delegates through the General Assembly.
But it\'s a plot twist, and the Sanders campaign now says they also believe that it can convince the super rep, who has promised Clinton, to change their position, and the super rep is certainly free to do something.
This will mean a campaign that will even surpass the June 7 final primary and the July convention.
It will be a long journey for Sanders\'s campaign, but if his most ardent supporters show anything in this campaign, it is that they either die for Bernie.
Earlier, I talked to some people who have been the face of the campaign since the early days, actress Susan Biden. (Start Video)
Hayes: So, you \'ve been running a campaign with Bernie Sanders, a lot of states.
I\'m always curious about how you feel, what do you get from it?
Susan Goodden, a supporter of Bernie Sanders: Oh, wow, I haven\'t seen so much hope and connection with the US yet.
I mean, I drove across the country and worked in Iowa for a while, but actually had the opportunity to talk to people and was moved by their enthusiasm, there are many independent thinkers in the central part of the country.
Seeing that they give their time and enthusiasm, after not having anyone they really trust or talking to and seeing thousands of people, so vulnerable to wanting to get engaged again, there are also thousands of volunteers from other places to visit those small offices and introduce him at the beginning when he does not have any security measures, now there are these people, all the secret service that travels with him.
But I really want to be on the right side of history, and this is the chance that we will never have such a candidate in our life to be so morally consistent, to make a decision, and its judgment proved to be true, but make a decision when it\'s not welcome, when it\'s uncomfortable, one is not from fracking or Monsanto, or the super PACs you know or Wall Street or all the farm, big farm money candidates you know, there are other candidates.
These questions are very important to me.
So there is such a consistent, clean person that it will not happen again.
Hayes: what you said just now is the right side of history, which is interesting to me.
I think in some ways there is growing concern that Bernie Sanders supporters will despise Hillary Clinton or reject Hillary Clinton, who will leave if she becomes the nominee and is not yet sure.
SARANDON: It\'s a reasonable question because they are very passionate and very principled.
And . . . . . . Hayes: Isn\'t that crazy?
If you believe what he believes
Yes, but she didn\'t.
She accepted the money from all these people.
She didn\'t want to fight for the minimum wage of $15.
So, these are people who haven\'t come out before.
So why do we think they will come out for her.
Gordon: I think it\'s very possible.
I talk to people who want to write-I talk to Republicans who have already written him.
They just don\'t think she\'s real.
She\'s a liar.
What\'s the difference between them not trusting her.
You know, if you are a small farmer, you are worried that your property will be fracked.
In Idaho, they just passed a bill where they can have sex on private land, you know she took money from fracking, why would you think she would support you?
Hayes: Well, because they think there are all kinds of politicians, so Barack Obama is one that Hillary Clinton has been quoting, and he has done something to effectively rule the industry, or reform industries, which they profit from.
I want to see . . . . . . Hayes: you don\'t buy it at all.
Sidden: No, I don\'t buy everything because she sells fracking all over the world.
She\'s talking about Monsanto, not talking about Nongda, not talking about what they put in Nongda, and not talking about what it does to our economy, how clean it is.
They know work is going out, you know, Bernie. -
Vote against the North American Free Trade Agreement, you know, TPP, you know all these things will affect their work.
And she\'s not on the right.
She voted wrong.
So what do you think, once she gets in, she\'s suddenly going to be against someone who gives her millions of dollars.
I think it\'s very naive and eco-friendly to suddenly think that she will see the right side, you know.
Hayes: Yes, but the question of choice is not always right in the election.
I mean, I think a lot of people think they would be fine if it were Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, and I think Bernie Sanders might think that . . . . . . Sidden: I think Bernie might encourage people because he doesn\'t have any self.
I think a lot of people are sorry that I can\'t let myself do this.
Hayes: how are you personally?
I don\'t know.
Let me see what happens. HAYES: Really?
Hayes: If Donald Trump . . . . . . Sidden, I can\'t believe it when you\'re watching it: some people think that if Donald Trump joins, it will bring about a revolution immediately, then things
Hayes: what you\'re talking about . . . . . . This is what some people think of the Leninist model of Sideng.
Don\'t you think it\'s dangerous?
I think what\'s happening now.
If you think it is pragmatic to maintain the status quo now, then you are not exposed to the status quo.
The statues don\'t work, I think we can continue militarized police forces, privatized prisons, the death penalty is dangerous, the minimum wage is low and women\'s rights are threatened, think you can\'t do something huge to turn this around.
Because if you are a middle class, this country is not in good shape.
If you want to see a documentary by Michael Moore, you will find the way they describe very interesting.
But you will see medical care and education in all the other countries and we have been told that it is impossible as if our relationship has been bad and now we have to break up with him, because we realize that we are worth it.
We should have these things.
We have to stop giving priority to war-I don\'t like the fact that she\'s talking about Henry Kissinger being her to find a man for what\'s going on in Libya and other things I don\'t think. (END VIDEO CLIP)
That\'s Susan Biden, Sanders\'s supporter.
You can see more from our interview, where we talked about her cooperation with some refugees in Greece and MSNBC. com/allin.
However, the Republican presidential candidate is still standing still.
If guns are allowed to enter their national convention stage.
What they say, who is behind the open petition, is right ahead. (
Hayes: Earlier today, there was a very terrible moment in the United States. S.
Capitol Building in Washington, D. C. C.
Preliminary reports of shooting at the Capitol.
Often, these reports are vague and incomplete, a lot of confusion.
According to the police, the person who was previously known by the security department came to the Capitol checkpoint in the visitor center. In that video, you are watching the place where the person bowed his head, he took out what looked like a weapon and was shot dead by a police officer.
He has since been identified as Larry Dawson, 67. year-
Old man from Tennessee
The source told NBC that he had a gun-type shotgun that looked very realistic.
He died after being taken to the hospital.
Now, the only reason this person didn\'t run around with a gun in the Capitol is because everyone who enters the Capitol has metal detectors.
To put it simply, this is a gun-free zone.
Even sharp pro-
Gun legislators working in that building are acceptable.
In fact, I already talked to them on the show.
But many of these lawmakers will attend the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, Ohio this summer. gun and anti-
The gun-free area is of course the majority.
The Quicken Loans Arena, which is hosting the meeting, does not allow gun access, although Ohio is an open carrying state.
Now, there is a petition calling on Republican candidates to speak out in the conference hall in July to allow attendees to carry guns openly.
Three strong relatives.
Now, the candidates that are publicly carried are involved.
Do they stick to their guns?
I\'ll tell you in 60 seconds. (
Hayes: So, at the Republican National Convention in July, nearly 50,000 people signed a petition calling for the right to carry guns openly.
It is a difficult little test for the candidate to be strong in the Second Amendment position.
It requires all three Republican presidential candidates to be open. carry and anti-
Gun free zone advocates urge RNC to correct the offence against our Second Amendment freedom and insist on suspending the firearms free zone vulnerability in violation of the Constitution at Quicken Loan Arena, allowing those attending the conference to bring guns to the convention.
Asked about this today, Ted Cruz said he would definitely want advice from the Secret Service.
John Kasic agreed, \"What matters is what the Secret Service says.
While Donald Trump says he needs to read fine print.
Fortunately, for Republicans, they may not welcome a potentially controversial General Assembly, authorized to be fully armed, but may not be willing to openly oppose this obviously horrible idea, this afternoon, the Secret Service released them, announcing that guns would not be allowed to pass through the intended perimeter checkpoint.
Now, the petition seems to point out that the arena\'s gun ban policy has not even begun to consider the possibility of the ISIS terrorist attack Arena during the General Assembly, perhaps more ironic than protest.
The description of the Twitter account is clearly linked to the petition, citing \"from now on, telling the truth about stupidity.
\"But if the goal is for experts to control and get Republicans upset about the Second Amendment and the interpretation of gun safety, then, well done. (
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Chris solo, executive director of Equality in North Carolina: HB2 is the most thorough counter
The LGBT bill will not stand the test of time, nor will it stand the test of the federal court. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: Today, the coalition of gay, bisexual and transgender groups and activists, including ACLU, said they are suing to stop the implementation of anti-gay
Republican Governor of North Carolina, Pat McCrory, signed a gay bill last week that overturned local gay, bisexual and transgender people.
Discrimination protects and explicitly limits the bathroom that transgender people can use.
The law has not only been angered and opposed by voters and activists on the street, but also by companies including Apple, IBM, Google, the NBA, and American Airlines, dow Chemical and Comcast NBC/Universal, our parent company.
Now, in Georgia, members of Congress have also passed an-
The gay bill, like the bill in North Carolina, has been widely condemned by the business community, but Republican Governor Nathan has agreed there to ignore social conservatives today announcing that he will veto the bill. (
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Located in the community of Georgia.
This is about the character of our country and the character of our people. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: now join me in the editorial director of the Seattle alternative newspaper stranger, national joint sex advice columnist Dan Savage.
Dan, from the different results we get, what do you understand about what\'s going on in these two states?
Dan Savage, director of the stranger editor: Before I talk about this, can I say whether I am Bernie, Hillary or both? In November, whoever it is, I plan to vote for the Democratic nominee because the smaller of the two evils are not evil.
I don\'t think Donald will bring a revolution.
The difference between the two states is that in one state, you have a governor who is facing a new
In the face of conservative voters, he is willing to really cut down vulnerable groups in his state for political advantage.
You have a governor in Georgia who has more time to think about the issue and decides to veto the legislation under pressure, especially under pressure from Hollywood, a bunch of production companies say, they will-well-known directors and studios say they will no longer make films in Georgia if this is passed into law.
North Carolina is just beginning to be attacked and it will be attacked by activists, companies, businesses and its own university system.
It is difficult for universities to attract talents, or to attract talents.
Many people are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.
People don\'t move to a state that doesn\'t allow them to use the damn bathroom.
Hayes: for those who don\'t pay attention to this, talk for the time being about how much attention these forces have to pay to the bathroom, because the bathroom is the venue for this political struggle.
Savage: they just repacked the old garbage with a brand new bag.
In the early days of the start of the gay rights movement, before becoming the LBGT civil rights movement, social conservatives would yell at predatory gay men, predatory gay men going into the bathroom, luring boys, raping boys, plundering the boys, they just accepted this.
Now, they say, it\'s predatory straight men-it\'s important to emphasize that, they say transgender people have this kind of thing, these straight men in their gowns, their whole goal of going through this shift is to get into the women\'s restroom where they can prey on women and girls.
But some people actually think it\'s a straight man.
This is the same thing.
Gay slander, repackaged as
As people learn more about transgender people, and with the advent of transgender people, we will win this battle as we fight.
It\'s important to remember that every time we have a reaction
After the referendum on same-sex marriage was passed, we saw the direction of marriage equality.
States like North Carolina have passed measures to attack transgender people, forcing a nationwide conversation about who transgender people are and who are predators in the restroom.
There were many people in the bathroom who were beaten by the cis gender straight men instead of transgender people.
As someone said on Twitter, Cameron epposito (ph)
You \'ve used a bathroom with a forwarder, I think, and you\'re fine.
Dan Savage, thank you for your time. Always.
Next, it\'s time for liquidation, my liquidation.
Who is the responsibility of Donald Trump?
Don\'t go anywhere. (
Hayes: The list of people accused of Donald Trump\'s rise is quite long.
Including Republican presidential candidates like Jeb Bush, top politicians like Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the Buffalo Bill football team, and of course President Obama.
The New York Times now gives us two new expressions about who Trump\'s success should be.
Columnist Nick Kristoffph)
Like many, blame the media entirely for the report that television, without fully verifying him or strictly reviewing his background, specifically handed the microphone over to Trump.
Nick confersoré (ph)
In an in-depth report, the Republican elite lost Trump\'s voters by ignoring their economic setbacks.
Now join me in discussing the unified field theory of Trump\'s rise is Josh Barro, MSNBC contributor, senior edtior of Business Insider;
Jessie McIntosh, a spokesman for Emily\'s List, certainly also supports Hillary Clinton.
So, what do you think of the media debate?
Jesse McIntosh, spokesman for the Emir list: I don\'t think the media will help anything, but I\'m not here to accuse you.
I think the Republicans have done that and they have been doing it very slowly for decades.
I believe it started with Lee Atwater.
I think it doesn\'t matter if Newt Gingrich gives us the tone and calls your opponent a strange monster, if that\'s the way to win.
I think Carl ROV gave us this disagreement, the elite and pandering to that foundation to make them as strong as possible, and no one realized that they would eventually swallow everything.
Then you have Donald Trump himself, and to be honest, he is a phenomenon.
If he\'s not him, I mean, Chris Christie tried this approach.
Many people have tried this method.
He is really good at it.
Business Insider reporter josh barro: You know, I think a lot of these theories can be set up at the same time. HAYES: Yes.
This is a phenomenon that is too certain.
Barrow: Yes, there are different reasons why voters support Trump.
Some are upset about trade, some are upset about immigration, and some have the racist impulses that Donald Trump has finally let them vent.
These are all true.
But I can\'t get voters out of the woods either.
I don\'t mean just to say, like when someone wins an election, people vote for him.
But, you know, everyone has the urge that they\'re trying to resist, you know you shouldn\'t eat a second doughnut, sometimes you\'ll succeed and sometimes you\'ll fail.
Donald Trump is very good at persuading people to do bad things.
His entire career is based on this.
Even in his property.
Like, you shouldn\'t cover everything with brass.
You shouldn\'t brag about how much you have.
But Donald Trump did these things to make them look happy.
He said that greed is a positive thing. It is a sin.
So, I think he really found the weakness of the electorate as an institution itself. HAYES: Yes.
But here\'s an argument-I think I\'m talking about this for media purposes.
This study about him-you know, he\'s got a lot more quantitative restrictions than any other candidate who\'s hard to find a precedent, right, 1.
The offer for free media is 9 billion.
Now, I think the most important thing is that many of them are negative.
In fact, look at his favorite/dislike as evidence.
This guy is very unpopular among ordinary voters.
You know, he\'s got 30 points under water, and that\'s not-so if it\'s all pattycake, he\'s not going to have 30 points . . . . . . Mackintosh: I think the question of who created President Trump is completely different from the phenomenon of who created Donald Trump.
If that person really wins the mass vote and the right votes, I don\'t think anyone will blame the media . . . . . . Hayes :. . . . . . Blame the media.
Like, can you blame it more?
Mackintosh: America did it.
Like, at this point, the media may be responsible for him having a higher name ID, but they are not responsible for most countries that want to vote for him, because most people don\'t want to vote for him.
Hayes: people think it\'s a kind of self.
This is what I was told in an angry conversation with the audience of this show-some of you are now sitting at home watching this shouting at the TV, I think a good analogy is like Kim Kardashian.
People talk about Kim Kardashian like this.
She is famous for her fame.
Like, well, at some point, she\'s doing something.
Yes, she is a very smart businesswoman.
Hayes: Yes, there\'s part of Trump.
BARRO: Yes, I know, I mean, the same people say the media created Trump, and by giving him all the coverage, they put him ahead, these people look at the coverage, think Trump is self
Apparently bad, every minute he spoke was worse.
Report-if you look at it objectively, if you only show someone a news clip and don\'t show them a poll or anything, people will think that the report is destroying him because it is negative.
The problem is that these voters do not trust any institution, including the media.
Mackintosh: That\'s why it\'s not important to check the facts.
It doesn\'t matter to point out that he is lying, because the person pointed out is not a trustworthy person.
Hayes: But there\'s this-there\'s this way too, in which he invades a certain part of the competitive environment where people need something new, he has been creating new things.
This has attracted people\'s attention.
If his goal is to manipulate his attention as cynically as possible, then he does a very good job.
I don\'t think the highly competitive news media did anything to resist, and even on the editorial side, some of them think they should.
Mackintosh: the news media has become more and more entertainment-based, and he is completely used to coming in and taking over it.
So, I think to this extent, yes, the 24-hour wired network, and yes, all of that helps Trump thrive in the environment.
But you have to put it on him and you have to put it on the fact that the voters are actually deciding.
But the most important thing here is that he is not always wrong.
Some of the big contributions he made in this election were that he said some other people wouldn\'t say it was true, about the way people buy American political influence.
I don\'t agree with his position on immigration, but it means . . . . . . Hayes: there are actual needs and interests.
Hayes: The others did not express it as he expressed it. BARRO: Right.
If anyone has a more decent way to make a non-extreme version of this position.
Mackintosh: build the dang fence. We ignored it.
Other Republicans say they want to build fences along the border.
We\'re like, oh, so cute. But he did it.
Hayes: OK, Josh Barrow and Jesse Mackintosh, thank you for being with me tonight. Appreciate it.
It\'s here tonight.
Rachel Mado\'s show is now on.
Good evening, Rachel.
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